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Amsterdam · Feb 03, 2006, 10:30 PM // 22:30

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

i am saving my gold for what is in chapter 2.

in the meantime it is Drok armor and collectors weapons

would i like everybody bowing to me in my godley armor with the unique weapon only a few people can see only when you are out of town?

sure would but am i willing to pay the price for it?

NO WAY

so i play for the fun of it when i feel like it.

i also give away most of the imperfect golds/purples i find as lower level peeps seem to get a kick out of them.

one thank you is better than a few k in my opinion

Admirable, I agree with you, giving away to others is a good idea always. I frequently teach for free, lend money, and give items when I can. It makes everyone feel good.

Buried_Flame · Feb 04, 2006, 01:07 AM // 01:07

.." guild wars will reward playing skill not hours played"...

WHAT A BUNCH OF LIES. False advertisment ? i believe so !

Loviatar · Feb 04, 2006, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by Buried_Flame

.." guild wars will reward playing skill not hours played"...

WHAT A BUNCH OF LIES. False advertisment ? i believe so !

and i believe you are a flaming idiot..........so?

hi noob who hasnt played enough to get it yet.

you cannot play for 10 hours a day grinding out level after level until after 1000 hours you are so strong that anybody with half your godley levels is toast no matter how skilled he/she is

you cannot play for 10 hours a day grinding out level after level until after 1000 hours you have the godley item of *i pwned ju noob* which is guaranteed to one hit kill anybody with half your godley item power

you cannot play for 10 hours a day grinding out level after level until after 1000 hours you have the weapon that ownes anybody no matter how skilled if they are not your grinded level.

notice that time is not the major factor there?

VGJustice · Feb 04, 2006, 01:50 AM // 01:50

For anyone that needs the best armor and weapons in the game, I submit the following: Make a PvP Only character.

Congratulations! You now have access to the best basic equipment in the game minus weapon mods, and enough skills to get you by! All that's left now is figuring out how to actually use them.

Go figure, best equipment in, what? Two minutes? Less?

FyrFytr998 · Feb 04, 2006, 04:05 AM // 04:05

Money is only a factor if you're trying to keep up with the eliteist players. Point Blank. There is no difference functionally between max damage collector weapons with perfect stats than gold and purple ones. No difference in performance between Droks and 15k/FoW armor. It's all an "looks" thing.

Whatever floats your boat I guess.

Saider maul · Feb 05, 2006, 07:55 AM // 07:55

alot of collector are great yes but some greens or rare gold do make a difference if ya calculate the % ratio it becomes very strong. Sure alot is look and Sure its for pure image in some cases. But why not. We put the time in to earn the cash. Have the skills. Why not be better. its a shame anet doesn't put gold as reward instead of experience. I mean we do odd jobs why not get paid?
PS: I make 10-15k an hr solo monking. gold isn't to excessively hard to make just hard for those coming in fresh to game.

byll_cosby · Feb 05, 2006, 10:26 AM // 10:26

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

This is just so much bullshit. You're not going to be poor in this game. The people complaining about "being poor" are either blowing shitloads of cash on beer & chest keys, or trying to buy perfect gold weapons (which aren't any better than collectors or greens costing 1/20th as much).

You don't have to farm.

If you WANT to farm, you still can. Anyone who says farming is nerfed is ALSO full of bullshit. Even the classic farming spots like Gates of Kryta and the griffins outside Augury Rock still yield tons of gold & items.

But when these guys talk of farming, they mean "solo-farming the UW with a 55-monk" nothing else. And that's nerfed; now you'll either progress much more slowly or you'll need to be TWO farming.

The problem with farming now is that everyone already got nearly perfect gear & atleast 100K, so it's impossible to sell anything but gold perfect max items of prestige stuff. A purple max defender shield with 12 strength requirement? Hardly worth carrying home, because noone will buy it. THAT'S why farming isn't as profitable as it used to be.

Farming Griffons before = Max Dmg Gold longsword 15^50, other perfect weps like this....

Farming Griffons now = Falchion 12-19, Armor +2 vs. Plants, No one can possibly tell me farming hasn't been nerfed, at least where i farm anyway

farming day to day and seeing your drops, NOT THEIR DEMAND, become less valuable is a shame... there is a difference between whining because you're poor, and complaining over ArenaNet's decision to put "luck" over work. I don't see the point in nerfing this, players are LEGITIMATELY making money and there's nothing wrong w/ that. Just because players were smart enough to make builds and share them, we're getting penalized. This is bullshit.

My griffon farming has decreased in value by at least a half, and this isn't luck, this is a consistent decline in drop values... I do believe new players will find it hard to make any money, especially enough to afford some the higher end items... arenatnet, :0

HDS · Feb 05, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by byll_cosby

Farming Griffons before = Max Dmg Gold longsword 15^50, other perfect weps like this....

Farming Griffons now = Falchion 12-19, Armor +2 vs. Plants, No one can possibly tell me farming hasn't been nerfed, at least where i farm anyway

farming day to day and seeing your drops, NOT THEIR DEMAND, become less valuable is a shame... there is a difference between whining because you're poor, and complaining over ArenaNet's decision to put "luck" over work. I don't see the point in nerfing this, players are LEGITIMATELY making money and there's nothing wrong w/ that. Just because players were smart enough to make builds and share them, we're getting penalized. This is bullshit.

My griffon farming has decreased in value by at least a half, and this isn't luck, this is a consistent decline in drop values... I do believe new players will find it hard to make any money, especially enough to afford some the higher end items... arenatnet, :0

Farming hasnt been nerfed, got a perfect cleaver from griffons. Maybe you should STOP FARMING SO MUCH thats what anet says in the hint box... farm too much and dops start sucking...

Lady Cream · Feb 06, 2006, 03:14 AM // 03:14

old farming = flesh golems, and YES it has been nerfed. Farming is over. And storage interests "lol". Always the same think, richs goes richer and poor goes poorer.

Even ripping off noobs (which is supported by a lot of players in this forum, well they made their hundreds/thousands of ectos doing this) requires to be rich. Like buying an Eternal Shield req 8 +30hp -2 dmg 500k to a noob and reselling it 5000k. GG, but you need 500k to do this.

Collectors armors/weapons/whatever can do the job. What if you finished the game and don't want to pvp ? Anybody who says "you don't need gold" is : a rich player or a player who don't care. Yes, you need the sup absorbtion/vigor to be competitive in pve.

Anyway, they overnerfed their game, and I'm not anymore surprized to see things like this http://cgi.ebay.com/guild-wars-game-... cmdZViewItem

Wow an IWAY account ! gg

Ah they nerfed the pve every weeks, but left such pvp gayness for month. Can you explain me ?

Jay the Jake · Feb 06, 2006, 06:00 AM // 06:00

Congrats Ingy I couldnt have said it better myself. This is a game meant for fun and enjoyment. I personally have no desire for FOW armor on any of my chars. Droks may not look 'as cool' but it has the same stats hence why pay the ungodly prices for fow armor. I played the game with some minor farming to get my droks armor for my first char. A guildie gave me a near perfect axe for him. And a near perfect weapon is perfect and fine in my book. I was able to get my rangers and monks droks armor with the gold I made while playing the game hence no farming to get it. A guildie ran my monk I payed a runner for my warrior and ranger. So low level farming got me the gold for a sup vigor for my warrior. A generous guildie gave me a sup vigor for my monk and I am currently saving up for the sup vigor for my ranger. The sup runes I got lucky and they dropped while doing missions in for those char in the south shiverpeaks. The ones I dont need I gave to a guildie that needed them. In return I got a green bow for that favor and my yakslapper for my monk I traded for. yes those are green items they arent the best green items but they are for me. I am happy and here to play the game. I just dont see the point in standing around in town trying and trying to sell some item for xxk or spending hrs upon hrs farming someplace again and again day in day out so I can go around with 100k in my account. I would rather get on hit a farm location 2-3 times a week for 20-30 mins pick everthing that drops up salvage it, give it away if someone needs it and get on with the GAME.
Anyways thats my 2g.....

BooRay · Feb 06, 2006, 02:05 PM // 14:05

Being a selfed professed noob here is my problem with the game and its baseline economy. Being a new player you would think that if you just play the game, take the missions that come available, do questing and progress, you would earn enought gold to upgrade your armor and weapons from time to time.

You quickly realize however that this is not the case. Earning gold as a new player is a slow process and earning enough for Droknars well thats another subject altogether. I played for weeks to get to Droknars and was lvl20 to find a ton of lvl5's hanging out there. Whats the point there? another subject all together.

Anyway, if farming has not been nerfed then explain to me why a new player like myself cannot earn enough by just playing the game as the story line goes, doing missions and killing a few baddies along the way and have enough gold at the end to buy maybe just ONE upgrade to my armor beyond what I bought in Ascalon City?

If you want to upgrade to a max dmg weapon, thats another subject all together. Like most players would have 5-10K bank rolled for the typical gold weapon items being sold in many areas by other players.

So here is the problem, you have a monk, you want to upgrade your armor, you need what 12 sheets of parchment, 20 bolts of cloth plus 800g for just one item like a chest piece? (these numbers are just an example so dont flame me). Then you want to upgrade your weapon, costs 3-5K. So simple math for just a base line upgrade on weapon and armor, 8.2 g not counting runes, keys, salvage kits, id kits ect. Do you know how long it took me to get even close to this amount just going through the natural progession of the game? I didnt spend any money on anything, I had to save save save just to get something like an armor upgrade in Lions Arch.

Its hard to earn money if you new, period. You people that have 100-200K bank rolled and earn that a night, quit bitching period. Why do you need it? whats the point? You have the best armor, the best weapons, sell items at inflated prices, collect the best stuff and you sit here an complain about farming being nerfed out but you have what 200,000 plat in the bank, and globs of ecto plasm and 4 collector swords, 4 collector shields, 2-3 sets of armor, ect ect ect. What ever!

The Herbalizer · Feb 06, 2006, 03:34 PM // 15:34

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Being a selfed professed noob here is my problem with the game and its baseline economy. Being a new player you would think that if you just play the game, take the missions that come available, do questing and progress, you would earn enought gold to upgrade your armor and weapons from time to time.

You quickly realize however that this is not the case. Earning gold as a new player is a slow process and earning enough for Droknars well thats another subject altogether. I played for weeks to get to Droknars and was lvl20 to find a ton of lvl5's hanging out there. Whats the point there? another subject all together.

Anyway, if farming has not been nerfed then explain to me why a new player like myself cannot earn enough by just playing the game as the story line goes, doing missions and killing a few baddies along the way and have enough gold at the end to buy maybe just ONE upgrade to my armor beyond what I bought in Ascalon City?

If you want to upgrade to a max dmg weapon, thats another subject all together. Like most players would have 5-10K bank rolled for the typical gold weapon items being sold in many areas by other players.

So here is the problem, you have a monk, you want to upgrade your armor, you need what 12 sheets of parchment, 20 bolts of cloth plus 800g for just one item like a chest piece? (these numbers are just an example so dont flame me). Then you want to upgrade your weapon, costs 3-5K. So simple math for just a base line upgrade on weapon and armor, 8.2 g not counting runes, keys, salvage kits, id kits ect. Do you know how long it took me to get even close to this amount just going through the natural progession of the game? I didnt spend any money on anything, I had to save save save just to get something like an armor upgrade in Lions Arch.

Its hard to earn money if you new, period. You people that have 100-200K bank rolled and earn that a night, quit bitching period. Why do you need it? whats the point? You have the best armor, the best weapons, sell items at inflated prices, collect the best stuff and you sit here an complain about farming being nerfed out but you have what 200,000 plat in the bank, and globs of ecto plasm and 4 collector swords, 4 collector shields, 2-3 sets of armor, ect ect ect. What ever!

Quit winging, you have played through the game, so what so have the hundreds of thousands of other players. Completing the game does not mean you are entitiled to huge wealth. Huge wealth comes from huge time investment. You think farming is fun? It sure as hell isnt for me, spending hours on end just to get those perfect weapons and fow armor sets.

I too had to save for droknars forge armor. But then i heard of griffon farming and started doing that. After time i made alot of gold from it. It was not fun and was highly boring but i did it as i wanted perfect items and expensive armor. If your not interested in "l337" items then just stick to your drok armor and use collectors weapons. They work fine. But some including myself want only the best items around and we all work hard to afford them.

Loviatar · Feb 06, 2006, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by Lady Cream

old farming = flesh golems, and YES it has been nerfed. Farming is over.

Ah they nerfed the pve every weeks, but left such pvp gayness for month. Can you explain me ?

only your definition of farming which is i MUST get Xlevel of drops per run as anything less than X is not worth doing.

SECOND POINT

there is a tournament going on and thet guaranteed that the skills would not be changed during the tournament period.

they also have stated that there are several known serious skill imbalances existing which will be taken care of AFTER the tournament is over along with a bunch of lesser rebalancing.

i expect
screams of anguish at nerfs
sighs of relief at a favorite skill not being touched
and exclamations of joy as a skill is made better (fire for ele maybe?)

Jiao Yang · Feb 06, 2006, 06:35 PM // 18:35

ok.. the best way for most to make money is to buy low, sell high... some of the rich players that buy off GWG admit thats how they got there. But you need money to do this right? Its simple-play the game. In south peaks missions u will get a lot of normal clean items dropped. If u ID everything.. even clean.. it puts the price up for a bit and u can make 2k easily on every mission u do. Then.. start by buying your average rare weapon like a 15^50 sword (easy to sell on) cheap. It will take a while but this is how it has to be. I got a 15^50 dragon sword from someone spamming 'Selling gold stuff 1k each!'. U can gradually work your way up.. buying better things that are more desirable to richer players. 1 more thing.. if you need to start low, check out most bulk sales u can find... where people dont specify what they are selling-just a bunch of gold weapons. U could find a bargain quite easily.

Lots will say it takes too long or its too hard.. but it worked for me ^^

Jiao

EternalTempest · Feb 06, 2006, 10:17 PM // 22:17

Depends, if you go throught the game as normal anet provides you with max items via collector's and draks armor. If your in to 15k, fow, or gold max that look cool then keep reading.

Once you get your 1st character you can farm with them to get items (or the collector's items in Desert / Souther Shiver peaks to give to your other character) and short cut your 2nd character if you want.

Most people have success with the 55hp monk. Check Guru Article section for more on this or do search.

You can run players for fixed cost or tips.

Farming - Drops are purely random but make sure but make sure keep going to different area's (crystal desert -> Southern shiverpeaks) for example otherwise the anti-farming less drops kick in. (You get less and less drops the more you farm in the same region).

Farm the green weapons in SF (see above on anti-farming system), farm ICD in Mineral Springs. Get new greens from Tombs (not "UW/new UW" don't get me started on that

)

Get in to a good guild that wins Hall of Hero's and do pvp for signets.

Here a nice money making trick. Get a basic salavage kit and keep converting monster drops / useless weapon drops from Krytia on to get crafting material. Wood you can convert to Parchment and sell at a profit to pc's or ncps. I would not convert items before that point, they tend to give you 1 use = 1 crafting item. Krytia starts 2,3 for 1 use or more.

Nevin · Feb 06, 2006, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by Amsterdam

Admirable, I agree with you, giving away to others is a good idea always. I frequently teach for free, lend money, and give items when I can. It makes everyone feel good.

Ahaha. I frequently charge for lessons, TAKE money, and don't revive players so I can take their drops! BWAHAHAAHHA it makes me feel good.

Jade · Feb 06, 2006, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by FyrFytr998

Money is only a factor if you're trying to keep up with the eliteist players. Point Blank. There is no difference functionally between max damage collector weapons with perfect stats than gold and purple ones. No difference in performance between Droks and 15k/FoW armor. It's all an "looks" thing.

Whatever floats your boat I guess.

I agree 100%. If I happen to have the money to afford something nice, I'll buy it. If not, I don't lose sleep over it. Take for instance the hype over Bortak's bone staff. I view the enormous price of this item as a complete joke. You can get a staff north of Fort Rankor with the same basic stats for a few mountain troll horns.

Energy +10
Cold damage: 11-22 (req. 9 Death Magic)
Improves Casting speed using Death Magic skills (Chance 20%)
Improves skill recharge using Death Magic skills(Chance 20%)

Bortak's has +5 energy and +7 vs physical. Woo - hoo. I added a +5 energy head (paid less than 5k) and a +1 Death Magic (18%) that I got off a random drop. To me, my staff kicks the hell out of Bortaks. But like it's said in the quote above - "Whatever floats your boat".

Funny part is that no one would even consider paying 50k+ for my staff, but they would for Bortaks.

Fates · Feb 07, 2006, 01:19 AM // 01:19

The difference between your and Bortaks, is Bortaks is max, yours isn't. A max death +1 (20%) could easily run your 100k, if you could find it.

People pay more for max, simple fact.

Jade · Feb 07, 2006, 02:10 AM // 02:10

Right, but if you were paying attention, I didn't say that mine was worth more. What I said was that I felt that mine was better. Even if I had that "perfect" 20% on there, people would still rather fork over 50k+ for the bortaks than mine. Because all that there would be on mine that would be worth that much would be the +1 to death magic wrap. IMO 2% ain't worth 50 - 90k. It's peoples perceptions that have to be changed. "OO lookit me I gotz the oober leet perfect godly staff of awesomeness and all you have is the collector staf that does the exact same thing! n00bzorz!"

capblueberry · Feb 07, 2006, 02:25 AM // 02:25

so merchanting is the best way to make money, reminds me of a little game i used to play called runescape, i made millions buyin low and sellin high